Sunday, December 6, 2009

1971. The War of Nerves in Bengal Bay

Today, December 6, the visit of the Indian PM Mr. Manmohan Singh in Moscow has started. I'm glad to see how the meetings between the two leaders of the countries become more often and (hopefully) will become a diplomatic routine, like let's say the meetings between leaders of Germany and France. As I have already written before, there was a meeting between Indian PM and the Russian journalists in Delhi, and now is published the short interview of mr. Manmohan Singh to Russian 'Izvestia' newspaper. He said before the visit: 'We hope, Russia will be able to influence Pakistan and persuade it to not use terror as a mean for the state policy since such policy is counter-productive and contradicts to peaceful neighborhood principles. Russia is an important factor of stability and security in the world. Nobody else can give us what the cooperation with Russia does'. He also marked the common 5th gen fighter project and MTA, as the most prioritized Indo-Russian cooperation project in military sphere.

In addition:
1) The Agreement for cooperation in military sphere on 2011-2020 will be signed/
2) The Agreement for after-selling service for Russian mil equipment wil be signed too during the visit.
3) The planned trading between two countries in 2010 will rech $10 bil.
4) New places for Indian atomic power stations will be discussed with Medvedev and Putin.

Also the big interview with Mr. Manmohan Singh was published in Russian 'Trud' newspaper.

But some days ago, in December 3, was 38 years anniversary of the Indo-Pakistan conflict, 1971. Then the Russian (Soviet) involvement has played an important role in prevention the Anglo-Saxon pressure on India which was directed to save face of their Pakistani ally and not to allow Bangladesh secession. This video is a part from the Russian TV program 'Strike Forces' and it's involved the witnesses of those events. The translation from Russian is mine.


In 1971, December, 3 the World has become an attestor  to a new war between India and Pakistan. At afternoon the Pakistani aviation has strike the Indian cities and airstrips. The Indian PM Indira Gandhi put the country in emergency state and gave the order to nip the aggression. Hard clashes were started on the ground in the air, and at the sea.   

Historic document: "Confident. December, 10, 1971. Moscow. For the DM Marshal Andrey Grechko. According to the  information from our attaché in Delhi in the first day of conflict the Indian destroyer 'Rajput' has sunk a Pakistani submarine by depth charges. In December, 4 and 9, the Indian fast boats have destroyed and damaged 10 Pakistani battle ships and vessels by the P-15 missiles. In addition  12 oil storages was burned in flame. The Commander of the Military Intelligence Service Gen. Pyotr Ivashutin".

In the same day the Soviet Intelligence has reported that the British Naval group with the leadership of 'Eagle' carrier went closer to the territorial waters of India.   The Soviet Government immediately sent a unit of battle ships under the leadership of counter-admiral Vladimir Kruglyakov for helping to the fraternal country.

Vladimir Kruglyakov, the former (1970-1975) Commander of the 10th Operative Battle Group (Pacific Fleet) remembes:

"I received the order from the Chief Commander 'To not allow access of the American Navy to the Indian military objects'.

- On the way of American Navy stood the Soviet cruisers, destroyers and atomic submarines equipped with anti-ship missiles.

Vladimir Kruglyakov, the former (1970-1975) Commander of the 10th Operative Battle Group (Pacific Fleet) remembers:

"We encircled them and I have targeted the 'Enterprise' by missiles. I have blocked them and didn’t allow enclosing to Karachi, nor to Chittagong or Dhaka".

On the Soviet ships then were only the missiles with limited to 300 km range. Thus, to be sure the rival is under the hindsight the Russian commanders have had to take the risk of maximal enclosing to the American fleet.

Vladimir Kruglyakov, the former (1970-1975) Commander of the 10th Operative Battle Group (Pacific Fleet) remembers:

"The Chief Commander has order me: 'Lift the subs when they (the Americans) appear!' – It was done to demonstrate,  there are all the  needed in Indian Ocean, including the nuclear submarines. I have lifted them, and they recognized it. Then, we intercepted the American communication. The commander of the Carrier Battle Group was then the counter-admiral Dimon Gordon.  He sent the report to the 7th American Fleet Commander: 'Sir, we are too late. There are the Russian atomic submarines here, and a big collection of the battleships'.

The war was then two weeks long, and it has finished by Pakistani forces surrendering.  

The Russian original text:


Океанский атлант

3 Декабря 1971 года мир потрясла очередная война. После полудня авиация Пакистана нанесла разрушительный удар по аэродромам и городам Индии. Премьер-министр Индии Индира Ганди ввела в стране чрезвычайное положение и отдала приказ вооружённым силам об отражении агрессии. Ожесточённые военные действия развернулись в воздухе, на суше и на море.

Совершенно секретно. 10 декабря 1971 года. Москва. Министру обороны СССР. Маршалу Советского Союза Андрею Гречко. "По докладу военного атташе в первый день военного конфликта индийский эсминец "Раджпут" уничтожил глубинными бомбами подлодку ВМС Пакистана. 4 и 9 декабря отряд катеров Индии потопил и повредил противокорабельными ракетами П-15 советского производства 10 пакистанских боевых кораблей и судов, а также сжёг на берегу 12 нефтехранилищ. Начальник ГРУ ГШ ВС СССР генерал армии Пётр Ивашутин.

В тот же день советская разведка получила сведения о том, что к территориальным водам Индии приблизилось английское военное соединение во главе с авианосцем "Игл". На помощь дружественной стране советское правительство направило отряд кораблей под командованием контр-адмирала Владимира Круглякова.

Владимир Кругляков, командующий 10-й оперативной эскадрой ТОФ (1970-1975): "Мне было приказано организовать слежение. Лодки я расставил в Бенгальском заливе и Арависйском море на позиции, а с кораблями пошел на слежение за "Иглом".

Но советским кораблям нечем было бороться с такой защищённой целью, как авианосец "Игл", кроме торпед и артиллерии. Поэтому им на помошь с Владивостока вышли ещё три ракетных корабля и 6 подлодок. Вскоре англичане ушли на юг, к Мадагаскару. А к побережью Индии направилось американское ударное соединение во главе с вертолётоносцем "Триполи" и атомным авианосцем "Энтерпрайз". Под предлогом эвакуации своих граждан из района боевых действий корабли попытались вмешаться в военный конфликт на стороне Пакистана.  

Владимир Кругляков, командующий 10-й оперативной эскадрой ТОФ (1970-1975): "Я получил от главнокомандующего: "Не допустить подхода американского военно-морского флота к военым базам Индии".

На их пути стали советские ракетные крейсеры, эсминцы и подлодки, вооружённые кралатыми ракетами.

Владимир Кругляков, командующий 10-й оперативной эскадрой ТОФ (1970-1975): "Я полукругом сзади окружил, и ракеты П-35 нацелили на "Энтерпрайз". Блокировал, но не пропускал их, ни к Карачи, ни к Читтагонгу, ни к Дакке".

На советских кораблях стояли противокорабельные ракеты с небольшой дальностью  300 км. Поэтому, чтобы держать противника под прицелом, командиры шли на риск, максимально к нему приближаясь.

Владимир Кругляков, командующий 10-й оперативной эскадрой ТОФ (1970-1975): "И главком сказал: "Когда они появятся, подними лодки!" Чтобы они увидели, что в Индийском океане всё есть, в том числе и атомные ракетные лодки. Я поднял, и они зафиксировали это дело. Потом я перехватил телеграмму. Командовал этим авианосным соединением контр-адмирал Дэмон Гордон. Он дал телеграмму коммандующему 7-м флотом: "Сэр, мы опоздали. В океане – атомные подводные лодки русских и большая эскадра".

Война продолжалась 2 недели и закончилась 17 декабря поражением Пакистана. 

46 comments:

  1. good find Igorr and nice translation too.thanx

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  2. Igorr
    thanks
    Mullah M

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  3. Hi Igor

    sorry slightly of topic
    about Gerogian crazy president saying in his speech in new mil. base that soldiers will go to Afghanistan to train to fight and liberate
    Georgia (when they learn how to fight there)
    I believe hi is crazy enouhgh to attack again
    But still didn't he get the message that Russia
    has anounced that they will use atomic tactical missiles!
    I presume that Russia didn't anounce that to play
    games but to give warning to Georgia
    Is there in Georgia possibility of another war and if not there where than? Why was Russia talking about use of tactical atomic weapons in possible conflicts?Was that worning to somebody in particular?
    Thanks in advance Igor!

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  4. Thanks for the translation. Much appreciated.

    A thousand goats for you.

    Thanks again
    Gagan-ulla

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  5. Thanks Igor for this absorbing video. In India media there are reports that the price issue reg Gorshkov has been resolved and the first batch of Mig 29K have arrived in India. any more inputs? Long live Indo-Russia Friendship and three cheers to you and Russia.

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  6. and this link as well

    www.arsenalrus.com/contents.php?id=#3_2

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  7. sory try this

    www.arsenalrus.com/contents.php?id=6#3_2

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  8. Hi Igorr,
    http://www.domain-b.com/economy/general/20091205_moscow_summit.html

    Please keep a watch on this and report anything minute that you may notice.

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  9. but the indian traitor elite class has sold itself to the antirussian clique of anglosaxon scumbags led by britian and america-the foremost enemies of India.
    manmohan singh is a n agent of britiana nd america-in any other country this unllected despicable bastard like manmohan singh would have been tortured to death for ttrechery but not in india(and not in russia either).

    manmophan sighn is a blot on face of india and he has destroyed indorussian freindship. ask him to request his masters the americans to rein in paksitan-why is he barking at wrong place?
    i am ahsmed to be an inidan being such ungreateful nation despite all that russia has done well for india.

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  10. Thanks Igorr. Have a great day!!

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  11. to
    avatar singh
    Why do you think that manmohan singh is making close relation with the USA by breaking friendship with RUSSIA,indian and russian relationship has recently saw some glitches because in some commitments russia failed as in
    1.timely supply of spares to the indian air force entire fllet of jets and cargo aeroplanes

    2.in some technology transfer agreement as the T-90,SU-30(some extent) etc.

    3.increasing demand of price of 2nd batch of talwar class,mi-17,vikramaditya etc

    All these failure should do some damage in the relation so russia is to some extend blamed for the glitches in relationship

    i think russia is doing this pulling to increase their economy but they should remember that friend do not pull each other otherwise relationship with perish

    but we cannot forget the tremendous help we got from the soviets and the russians.

    manmohan singh has always said that russia is a key friend and there will be no relationship with USA but stepping on the face of russia
    you must remember that almost all political party in our country cherish the relationship with russia so no party will discard russia

    russia has always remained a friend to india and always will
    in indian parts relation with USA is to lift indi's image in the international forum as a global power and to keep pressure on the two enemies of india pakistan and china.

    igor
    your views on this...

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  12. to anon December 7, 2009 6:58 PM:

    I think, during Yeltsin presidency Russia in some aspects turned the face from the proved allies towards US and the West as a whole. It was done under the agenda of 'more balanced policy' and 'Russia as a part of European civilization' etc sub-critical slogans. Despite this change Delhi long time didnt change its approach towards Moscow, waiting to more cleaver leadership coming to power there.

    Needed to be underlined that during the history many time some nations (their leadership) turned face off Russia despite Russia helped them even more, then it did for India. The old examples are Israel, Egypt and China. The more recent examples are Eastern Europe Slavic countries (which indeed Russia saved from German genocide), Georgia and Ukraine. So, I can say India together with the countries like Cuba and Vietnam, has rather good record of thrust in relation with Moscow since it didnt change its policy towards Russia in principal.

    However, the diversification of relationship - is an eternal principal of foreign policy. These two agendas - diversification and indigenisation - were central for Indian policy for tens years. Without that no one could imagine India as a world power some day. So, I cannot find here some Russian-specific motives.

    More specifically I feel the current problems in economic ties (they are too modest relatively to the military-strategic and our expectations) are lied in the bureaucracy structure in both countries. Not Russia nor India have enough active policy of export. Thus we can see a shameful picture while the trade of both Russia and India with much more problematic partners (Sino-Russian, Russo-Japanees, Indo-Chinees economic ties) are much more vibrant than Indo-Russian one. We should expect much more in this aspect from two governments.

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  13. hey anonymous-irrerspective of what Russia after dissolution of soviet union did(in fact during yeltsin era americans pressed russia not to give so many things to india) itis a fact that the indian elite =class has been traitor and ungrateful to russia for russian help in making india self sufficnet and even in protecting indian sovernity, this manmohna sigh has single handedly made sure that india takes order from london and washington-he is a smll time functionary o f the world bank run by americans to loot countries like india and russia. manmohans igh is a fraud who follows chiacago school of economis fraudism which has caused misery tot he thrid world in last 20 years and made millions of farmers in india commit suicide.
    this man,mohan singh must be eliminated soon to save India-he is a shame on the name of india -such a fraud with no personality no leadership and no ablity to speak coherently is a shame on india.besides he is a traitor for which he shoudl be killed.

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  14. NOW WE KNOW HOW THE AGENDA OF THIS TRAITOR MANMOHAN SINGH HAS BEEN FOLLOWED TO THE LETTER THOUGH HE IS NOT A LEADER OF PARTY OR COUNTRY AOR OF MEN.

    THE SaME WAY WGHILE THE CONGRESS HAD BEEN DEFEATED IN AN ELELCTION 10 YEARS AGO-THE BJP WHICH CAME ON PLATFORM OF ANTI GLAOBALIZATION HAD TO CHANGE TACK WITHIN 5 DAYS.
    THE MEDIA SAID THAT FINANCE MISNTER SHOULD BE THE SAME PRO WEST PRO GLAOBALIZATION MAN,

    THE INDIAN PUBLIC HAS BEEN BOOTING OUT THE GOVTS. AFTER GOVTS. AS TERM EXPIRES BECAUSE INDIAN PUBLIC DOES NOT WANT SO CALLED

    LIBERALIZATION AND PIRATE CAPITALIST SUYTEM BUT THE POLITICANS INT EH PAY PACKET OF BUSIENSS MEN AND MEDIA BEING PIMPS OF CAPITAL HAVE BEEN

    NULLYIFYING TH ELECTION RESULT FOR LAST 15 YEARS.

    THIS SYSTEM WAS BROUGHT TO INDIA BY THE AMERICAN AGENT MANOHANS SINGH WHO BRIBED THE MPS TO KEEP THE NEAO LIBERAL AGENDA OF HIS UNCLELCTABLE GOVT. BOth IN 1993 and 2008.

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  15. 7th october, 2008


    even after the obvious faliure of free markeeters in america this americna gen manmonan singh ( a person who is not only unlelected but unelectable-he sttod for lower house of parliament but was throughly defeated by the elctorate-then he entered parliament through uppwer house-like house of lords from where he is not supposed to become prime minsiter at all-but law was circumvented for him) such is the democracy we are talking about) not been killed frhh treason but also not chastised
    this manmhan singh is a charlaton whose theory fits with fit with Milton Friedman's "greed is good" Chicago School mumbo jumbo. Both Friedman and Kemp believe that what is good for the stock market is good for America, ignoring the shocking economic polarization that has divided the nation. Now, more and more people are beginning to see that Friedman was a charlatan who provided ideological cover for obscenely rich financiers and their dodgy investment scams.











    may 9th , 2007.

    This ( rejected thrice by the public in general election) prime minister(installed at american behest) manmaohan singh is trying to enter parliament again through vack door-he filled nomination through assam with help of sonai gandhi congress(of whoioch he is not a leader or person of any singificance).
    such is the democracy we live in.
    i thought democracy meansd people electing the party and primeminister to be elected through that elelctable persons.
    but as for american definigitn of democracy like in stooge s in afggansitana nd iraq we have an americana tooge who doe snot need to boyther wabout indian opinion because he has not been s-chosen by the indian people for the post but isntalled by a foreing country to make idnia run for foreing.es nbenefit.
    and we are celebrating 150 yrs of what?
    return of the company and corporate again?(not called ast or west india company this time but same nevertheless)..

    the media now decries that the polling rate in india is rapdly going down that in india where the people have always been enthusiatic to

    vote. doe sit not occur to media that pepel are now refusing to rubber stamp the primeminsiter sna his cabinet when the people have already

    rejected such lots and still unelectable person gets chosen as prime minister of foren minister(jaswant singh) with no popular support

    anbut only because angloamerican agents in india want that to be.

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  16. For several general elections the people have rejected the so called

    loiberalization and wasnhington consensus policy of govet. of india but each time new govt is elected the media astrats telling that

    economic and foreing policy msut not change even though people have overwhelmingly voted against that.


    media brings erronaeous cause for defeat of incumbent govt. like secratarianism and all russbih but never mentions that people have thrown

    that american dictated policy being pursued by both parties.

    Such is the genesis of indian electorate's disilluionment with voting -all due to corruption of media and jourtnalists along with the

    busisness class of india(these days traitor FICI is organising more conferences than the govt. of India for inter-ministerial meetings!.



    How India is being treacherously enslaved by angloamerican agents likes of (unelectable and defeated in democratic election ) this Pm

    manmohan singh and the english media inside india.

    a great misconception is that so caled liberalization and globalization was brought to india by this manmohan singh. In fact soon after

    victory in iraq war in febraury 1991 the bush no. first declared a new world order in which he explicitly said that he will open up the

    world for american business. In fact his trade seccratary immeditealy annomnuced that she will make sure that america open up the thighs

    of thrid world countries (Like as with a vice ) as a slwoly and surely to american business(true analogy to a rape)-that was given the name

    Liberalization and globalization for which the british and americans had been working since 1986. What was left for america to do was

    install maleable stooges inside the thrirld world countries. escpeally those types who are unelctable and have no mass base of their own--

    in other words who are not elelctable democratically but installed from above through media and other manipulations.

    this manmohan singh in india fulffiled that criteria of being unliked and unelctable insignificant person who was willing to act on arder

    of his american masters -if they had asked him to turn communist he would have done that.It is this traitor manmohan singh who informed

    america of impending Indian nuclear test in 1993 and also who openly said that iran pakistan inida pipe line would be difficlt to finance

    -just because his americans masters did not want that!

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  17. traitor indian elite class.

    janaury,2007

    Indian anglophile class -especially indian english language media -is a race of Coolies and traitors.
    the same class of indians who are doing propaganda agasinty china today are the same people who forced rajiv gandhi in 1987 to make friendship with china(and recognise tibet as part of china) why-? because the usa had ben friend with china since 1984 and wanted india tobe friend too as opposed to russia.-therefore the indian parasite class foll=made the Indian foreign policy viz china not to suit india but to suit american interests-it is doing the same but in revere direction this time because their anglo-american masters want them to do so.the same indian elite class (for example the president of ranbaxy one MR. Singh,, chairman of FICCi at the time in 80s was vehemently opposing any defence increase or of of buying of defence equioments while asking for freidnship with china as desired by usa ain 80s). the same FICCi is making propaganda agasint DRDo and(with 6% of defence budget) and indian scintisits saying it has not kept the develpopmnet of innovations and kept the 50 yurs old mig 21 not in shape!.) These same indian traitors want india to buy 40 yrs old arms (like junk f16 and f-18) from america knowing fully well that it comes with a heavy conditions unlike almost condition free and better arms(new mig-35) from russia.-but then thse elites are agents of angnlo american interests -so no surprise here-it is high time that thse elites are killed or kicked out of india-these are allwais(iraqi traitor) of india.• Russia is already supplying India with the Sukhoi-30MKI, an advanced "fourth generation" warplane that consistently defeats its Western counterparts, such as the frontline US fighters, the F-15C and F-16. Versions of the Su-30 are also being sold to China, Venezuela, and Malaysia.

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  18. besides if Indians can be so happy buying defunct american vessel trenten then why can we not happy buying gorveshov at much reduced price9 and not distress =sell price of only 500 million in problematic 90s? you do not treat friends with advantage on distress sell). Indian tried to be too smart-they are rteall fools of the international arena-and then they balme russia for not hopb=nouring its o=commitmentm#
    they are not grateful that russia suppleid them with msot advanced mig-90 in those days with rupee payments.
    indians insiist on keeping defunct mig-21 and blame russians for its relibality problem.
    at the same time we will accept any shit from americans and be grateful for that.
    conlcusion-indians repect only those who hit indians back with boots -such is the slabve mentality of our elites.

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  19. Long live Indo-Russian friendship!!! :)

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  20. thanks a lot dear Igorr.

    people in INDIA will soon celebrate " victory day"
    on 17 december but this victory would have been IMPOSSIBLE without our RUSSIAN friends .

    India will always be GRATEFUL to RUSSIA for its help in all spheres .
    ie industrial develoment , space, atomic energy,
    and defence .
    GOD BLESS RUSSIA.long live indo russian fiendship

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  21. Love u russia and all russians bretherens.
    Indians r greatly indebted to u n will never forget wat u have done for us till date.

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    1. They didn't do it for India.... but I understand your enthusiasm.

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  22. I agree with the previous poster, Pranab. Thank the Soviet Union for helping us in keeping anglo saxons off our back through those tumultuous years. Three cheers to Indo-Russian relationship. May they grow from strength to strength with every passing day.

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  24. well india russia had put pakistan, america and chaina back on power and political issues.
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