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Igor, do you have any new...Very great information.<br /><br />Igor, do you have any news on software they have been using for PAK-FA avionics, computer chips , and which programming languages, etc Russian will use for their works?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-33328935402023034522009-09-15T14:58:57.032+03:002009-09-15T14:58:57.032+03:00Igorr said it.
The Bars for India is more powerfu...Igorr said it.<br /><br />The Bars for India is more powerful than the baseline Russian version which did not have RC1 and RC2. It took Phase 3 for the Bars to reach its full potential with RC1 and RC2. India has also exported the RC1 and RC2 to Malaysia and Algeria (for the Bars) and the contract with Algeria also includes upgraded display processors and software.<br /><br />Irbis-E is currently more powerful than Bars, Phase 3. But upgraded Bars, as planned for MKI may be more powerful/equal to Irbis-E, if we consider released aims for performance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-46620458340533883112009-09-14T00:45:51.116+03:002009-09-14T00:45:51.116+03:00to anon September 14, 2009 12:17 AM:
It's imp...to anon September 14, 2009 12:17 AM:<br /><br />It's impossible per definition, because BARS was exclusively designed for India, and has no any 'domestic' variant.Igor Djadanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16336946125343616803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-24398517154454559702009-09-14T00:17:18.224+03:002009-09-14T00:17:18.224+03:00Maybe the BARS in the Su-30MKI is a scaled down ve...Maybe the BARS in the Su-30MKI is a scaled down version?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-19491668607052883742009-08-29T20:11:45.271+03:002009-08-29T20:11:45.271+03:00I dont remember engaged figures, but TWS was 10.I dont remember engaged figures, but TWS was 10.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-38546684798722645482009-08-29T18:03:31.514+03:002009-08-29T18:03:31.514+03:00to August 29, 2009 3:57 AM;
If so, what was the T...to August 29, 2009 3:57 AM;<br /><br />If so, what was the TWS/engagement figures before RC1 RC2 installation?Igorrhttp://igor-dzhadan.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-12540081095901991252009-08-29T13:57:53.825+03:002009-08-29T13:57:53.825+03:00Igor
>>No respectable customer satisfied......Igor<br /><br />>>No respectable customer satisfied...<br /><br />Why wont they be satisfied, and which are these other radars?<br />First, 15 TWS is itself a lot since one squadron of planes can be only 20 planes. Engaging 4 targets together is also rarest of rare cases, and is possible only with targets within one aircrafts "radar cone".<br /><br />Aircraft with more TWS/ Target engaged feature are just using it as PR. In practical terms all radars have a limitation in amount of information they process and what they display.<br /><br />Bars radar can detect >15, it then decides which are priority targets or pilot can select and then tracks those. In full HOTAS systems, you can then "bug" selected targets for engagement - this is Selected Target TRACK or high quality track. BARS can do this for 4 with RVV-AE, and 2 with AA-10.<br /><br />>> The radar upgraded already<br /><br />Yes, it was upgraded to 15/4 using Indian radar computers RC1 and RC2.<br />This is the same radar computer in RMAF, AAF aircraft also.<br />Bars radar data processing is tightly integrated with the RC1 RC2 hardware.<br />Each RC can assist in tracking of 8 targets. So "real numbers" are 16 TWS, in practical terms this is no different than 15. Original radar used Russian TS Series processor which tracked lower numbers.<br /><br />Radar track, engage numbers are not just software but hardware also, both on signal processing and power channel side. These upgrades have not been made to BARS because IAF will be more concerned about more useful parameter such as range and field of view. In real life, if one MKI is facing > 15 targets then something has gone wrong bigtime.<br /><br />Comparing IRBIS to BARS is also wrong because IRBIS has ~4 times average power of BARS, which gives it more capability to radiate more energy in particular areas of interest and get more S/N back.<br /><br />IAF is clearly waiting for NIIP to develop the full upgrade of BARS with all the improvements included. Current BARS is already a very powerful radar compared to in service systems worldwide anyways.<br /><br />Otherwise it is a logistical problem. MKI in 1-100 have RADAR1, 100-150- RADAR2, 150-230 RADAR3...<br />All aircraft are put all over India in different places, logistics is problem for spares and everything, test equipment etc.<br /><br />I also think BARS has superior range capabilities - possible - than IRBIS, especially if IRBIS uses OSA radant pin diode based antenna for lighter weight. Lighter weight, smaller antenna (900 mm versus BARS 960 MM) allows for large rotation of antenna in vertical and azimuth in Irbis.<br /><br />But BARS antenna gain is >36 db! OSA antenna gain is 10 db lower! <br />So if BARS is upgraded to similar power TWT, or even lower, it can match or exceed IRBIS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-60766295989071261002009-08-29T08:30:59.733+03:002009-08-29T08:30:59.733+03:00to anon August 28, 2009 5:13 PM:
Of course, I kno...to anon August 28, 2009 5:13 PM:<br /><br />Of course, I know, what NIIP have claimed repeatedly. I could say you more: Rosoboron is still asserting 15/4 in its official online catalog. That catalog however is a 'strange bird' with information lag 6-8 years from now... www.roe.ru <br /><br />So, since I'm not a 'copy-paste expert' to only repeat official numbers, I tried to make some analysis of facts. <br /><br />In this case there are a number of circumstances for not to trust this figures (15/4), that seem to be understated: <br /><br />- No respectable customer (India, Malaysia) would satisfied with 15/4 since radars with 30/8 are allready exist on the market.<br />- Last time NIIP doesnt repeat these figures (15/4) in new articles like that article of Bekirbayev, they're just silent about the figures.<br />- Russians are well known by themselves with their underreporting in sensitive military tech.<br />- Indians could as well ask their Russian counterparts to keep silence about their first line radar characteristics. If take to consideration the level of Russian mil. complex dependence from Indians, they can do it even if it somehow harm to marketing image. <br />- The radar was significantly upgraded already, was reported, and if so, the TWS/engaging and range characteristics would be improved. Thus, 15/4 is hardly believed.<br />- A probably leakage of information could be taken place from India, where MKI is in service, and BR's figures are 20/8.<br /><br />About the range number I agree with you, it's very probably underreported with just same reasons. As about to Irkut's report http://www.irkut.com/en/news/news_archives/index.php?id48=127 claiming 15/4 - it's from 2004 and now 2009. NIIP's technologies allow much more with PESA, we know it from Irbis' reports and from Bekirbayev's article.Igor Djadanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16336946125343616803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-35879211278422449212009-08-29T03:13:33.208+03:002009-08-29T03:13:33.208+03:00>>>Indeed, I met both figures. If you can...>>>Indeed, I met both figures. If you can get for me an argument (and a source) why 15/4 is more reliable figures than 20/8, I would be appreciative.<br /><br />Igor,<br /><br />Please go to irkut.ru and see press release for Phase 3 MKI, it says 15, 4.<br /><br />Also, see press release for MKM, which is Phase 3 MKI with some French avionics replacing Israeli ones. It says 15,4<br /><br />Basically, original plan for Bars was 30,8 which became 15,4<br /><br />Only IRBIS-E will now achieve this figure.<br /><br />Track and engage numbers are also dependent on power of radar, which is also an issue.<br /><br />I also feel BARS range number is heavily underreported in media and public, and in reality it is much more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-3839759651453569082009-08-28T23:51:25.409+03:002009-08-28T23:51:25.409+03:00to anon August 28, 2009 1:46 PM:
It certainly wor...to anon August 28, 2009 1:46 PM:<br /><br />It certainly works well with my Opera browser.Igor Djadanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16336946125343616803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-66282201160340187362009-08-28T23:46:16.188+03:002009-08-28T23:46:16.188+03:00ok igor
just try to write something in the comme...ok igor <br /><br />just try to write something in the comment writing white box and click right right button of your mouse to open cut,copy,paste option <br /><br />u will find that cut,cpoy paste option don't workAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-47279480369635873692009-08-28T19:30:51.206+03:002009-08-28T19:30:51.206+03:00to anon August 28, 2009 6:08 AM:
didnt understand...to anon August 28, 2009 6:08 AM:<br /><br />didnt understand what you speak about, sorry. cam you explain?Igor Djadanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16336946125343616803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-2630150153710832842009-08-28T16:08:15.207+03:002009-08-28T16:08:15.207+03:00to igor
please repaire the cut,copy,paste optionto igor<br /><br />please repaire the cut,copy,paste optionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-38424228942970892462009-08-28T01:09:43.089+03:002009-08-28T01:09:43.089+03:00to anon August 27, 2009 2:21 PM:
Indeed, I met bo...to anon August 27, 2009 2:21 PM:<br /><br />Indeed, I met both figures. If you can get for me an argument (and a source) why 15/4 is more reliable figures than 20/8, I would be appreciative.Igor Djadanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16336946125343616803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-45650980293132456472009-08-28T00:21:13.625+03:002009-08-28T00:21:13.625+03:00Igor
The current Bars in IAF service can track 15...Igor<br /><br />The current Bars in IAF service can track 15 targets and engage 4 not track 20 and engage 8!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-74221582579002290752009-08-27T18:16:07.771+03:002009-08-27T18:16:07.771+03:00Hi, Sachin!
1) Confirmed, this IS planned nearest...Hi, Sachin!<br /><br />1) Confirmed, this IS planned nearest upg path for BARS. They have planned some upgrading roadmap for sure.<br />2) AESA antenna for Bars is the next, more distant prospect.Igor Djadanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16336946125343616803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-85607268744799319432009-08-27T18:10:40.424+03:002009-08-27T18:10:40.424+03:00to anon August 27, 2009 4:52 AM
Su-35 HAS it for ...to anon August 27, 2009 4:52 AM<br /><br />Su-35 HAS it for sure, & goes with it to serial production for RuAF. For other Su-27/30 family it's an option.<br /><br />About L-band radar for MiG's I dont know.Igor Djadanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16336946125343616803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-2049865370405796082009-08-27T18:09:49.963+03:002009-08-27T18:09:49.963+03:00Igorr,
Gr8 blog.Very informative one.
some time...Igorr,<br /><br />Gr8 blog.Very informative one. <br /><br />some time ago there was news tht this(above mentioned) second version(called BARS II by indian media) had flown on an Su-30MKI Mk.3 is it possible tht this was the RADAR which had some of the above mentioned capabilities(may be DDM but don't know cant trace the news tht disclosed this) can u confirm or tht was total hogwash and this IS planned upg path for BARS?<br /><br />Also the upg path seems to focus more on the Backend and the software refining of the RADAR also, since BARS is a PESA is it possible convert it to an AESA by replacing the Antenna? If so then i think this was a masterstroke on part of the NIIP and IAF to see and plan the steeped induction of such capability as early 1997.<br />wht do u think?sachin_sathehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02104023701292128933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-69802377594905979212009-08-27T17:01:16.529+03:002009-08-27T17:01:16.529+03:00i hope they use the same L BAND radar on mig35 win...i hope they use the same L BAND radar on mig35 wings edgesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-15163973509202349002009-08-27T16:39:43.461+03:002009-08-27T16:39:43.461+03:00First a radar on its "sting" and now rad...First a radar on its "sting" and now radar panels on leading edge - Russians are innovated. That's going to boost Su35's should-to-should sensor coverage.HMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17168620011502808236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6833500581983021616.post-63417580046595908502009-08-27T14:52:00.728+03:002009-08-27T14:52:00.728+03:00to igorr
it means su30/35 will have the L band ra...to igorr<br /><br />it means su30/35 will have the L band radars on the wings along with irbis e/aesa radars <br /><br />and also the L band nose mounted radar for mig series fighters as wellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com